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Christian Attitudes http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php?blog=9 Chrsitian Attitudes towards Jews, Israel and Zionism en-UK http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 <br /> <b>Strict Standards</b>: Declaration of GenericCategoryCache::clear() should be compatible with DataObjectCache::clear($keep_shadow = false) in <b>/home/vsvkdg/public_html/blogs/inc/generic/model/_genericcategorycache.class.php</b> on line <b>53</b><br /> <br /> <b>Warning</b>: Creating default object from empty value in <b>/home/vsvkdg/public_html/blogs/inc/settings/model/_abstractsettings.class.php</b> on line <b>309</b><br /> <br /> <b>Strict Standards</b>: Declaration of Chapter::dbupdate() should be compatible with DataObject::dbupdate($auto_track_modification = true) in <b>/home/vsvkdg/public_html/blogs/inc/chapters/model/_chapter.class.php</b> on line <b>38</b><br /> The company Bishop Richard Williamson keeps
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<p>From an article headlined <a href="http://joodsactueel.be/2009/02/23/pius-x-anti-semitism/">Pius X society: &#8216;Jews, the enemy of man&#8217;</a> </p> <blockquote><p>Research by a team of journalists from Belgian Based &#8216;Joods Actueel&#8217;, a Jewish news publication, has revealed a slew of anti-Semitic content on websites of the St. Pius X society. Pius X is the catholic society whose excommunication has recently been recanted by the Pope. Much controversy has arisen about the rehabilitation of one of its members, bishop Richard Williamson, a known holocaust denier.</p> <p>The research comes to the conclusion that Pius X is an extreme conservative Catholic group that rejects the Second Vatican Council and propagates the worst kind of anti-Semitism. (examples see below)</p></blockquote> <p>To quote Michael Freilich, editor-in-chief Joods Actueel:</p> <blockquote><p>&#8220;This is in many ways worse than the outrageous statements of bishop Williamson denying the Holocaust and the existence of gas chambers. Williamson is a lone fool and not taken serious by the masses, whereas here we are talking about an entire society comprising thousands of priests spreading hatred to hundreds of thousands around the world (The Saint Pius X society is believed to have between 600.000 and 1 million followers). Another difference with Williamson is that, how undeniably awful his lies may be, they negate the past. Yet what we have uncovered here is preaching of lies and hate against Jews today thereby once again promoting hatred against the Jewish people.</p> <p>Anti-Semitism in the Church is not new; it has existed for centuries. The positive steps taken after WWII, such as the Second Vatican Council, threaten to be completely undone by embracing an extremist group such as this back into the Church. What is needed now are deeds not words. The hate mongering society of St. Pius X has no place in the Church and should be excommunicated as soon as possible.&#8221;</p></blockquote> <p>If Pope Benedict did not know what sort of people he was inviting back into the Church, he should do by now. Unless they admit that they have done wrong, and make sincere repentance for it, they should be given no welcome. </p>
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<div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/the_company_bishop_richard_williamson_ke?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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From an article headlined Pius X society: ‘Jews, the enemy of man’

Research by a team of journalists from Belgian Based ‘Joods Actueel’, a Jewish news publication, has revealed a slew of anti-Semitic content on websites of the St. Pius X society. Pius X is the catholic society whose excommunication has recently been recanted by the Pope. Much controversy has arisen about the rehabilitation of one of its members, bishop Richard Williamson, a known holocaust denier.

The research comes to the conclusion that Pius X is an extreme conservative Catholic group that rejects the Second Vatican Council and propagates the worst kind of anti-Semitism. (examples see below)

To quote Michael Freilich, editor-in-chief Joods Actueel:

“This is in many ways worse than the outrageous statements of bishop Williamson denying the Holocaust and the existence of gas chambers. Williamson is a lone fool and not taken serious by the masses, whereas here we are talking about an entire society comprising thousands of priests spreading hatred to hundreds of thousands around the world (The Saint Pius X society is believed to have between 600.000 and 1 million followers). Another difference with Williamson is that, how undeniably awful his lies may be, they negate the past. Yet what we have uncovered here is preaching of lies and hate against Jews today thereby once again promoting hatred against the Jewish people.

Anti-Semitism in the Church is not new; it has existed for centuries. The positive steps taken after WWII, such as the Second Vatican Council, threaten to be completely undone by embracing an extremist group such as this back into the Church. What is needed now are deeds not words. The hate mongering society of St. Pius X has no place in the Church and should be excommunicated as soon as possible.”

If Pope Benedict did not know what sort of people he was inviting back into the Church, he should do by now. Unless they admit that they have done wrong, and make sincere repentance for it, they should be given no welcome.

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(To the tune of “What are we going to do about Maria?”): What are we going to do about Williamson? http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/to_the_tune_of_what_are_we_going_to_do_a?blog=9 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:56:34 +0000 liz News and thoughts 805@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/
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<p>He is notorious as a Holocaust-denying anti-Semite, who also disapproves of The Sound of Music and women who wear trousers. Whereas the two latter are unlikely to lead to a genocide of trouser-clad women, or singing nuns and children wearing old curtains, the former is dangerous. The embers of anti-Jewish prejudice have never been extinguished and could easily be fanned into life again.</p> <p>&#8216;Bishop&#8217; Richard Williamson, or <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4388359/Minister-criticises-Pope-for-pardoning-Holocaust-denial-bishop.html">Mr Williamson</a> as the Telegraph calls him is no longer excommunicated. Dismay at the idea of welcoming an openly anti-Semitic prelate back into the Church has been expressed by Catholics as well as Jews. </p> <p>The Catholic Bishops of England and Wales hasten to distance themselves from his views, taking the opportunity to <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5599972.ece">condemn anti-Semitism </a> while they are at it.</p> <p>Even Williamson&#8217;s boss in the Fraternity of St Pius X has decided it expedient to <a href="http://ncronline3.org/drupal/?q=node/3182">distance himself,</a> too, although if he has previously failed to condemn his subordinate&#8217;s claims, this might appear less than sincere.</p> <p>Words are all very well, but actions will tell us more. What will happen to Williamson if he returns to the Church? Will he be allowed to continue as a bishop? </p> <p>The Telegraph has already laicised him. Perhaps the Pope should do likewise.</p> <div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/to_the_tune_of_what_are_we_going_to_do_a?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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He is notorious as a Holocaust-denying anti-Semite, who also disapproves of The Sound of Music and women who wear trousers. Whereas the two latter are unlikely to lead to a genocide of trouser-clad women, or singing nuns and children wearing old curtains, the former is dangerous. The embers of anti-Jewish prejudice have never been extinguished and could easily be fanned into life again.

‘Bishop’ Richard Williamson, or Mr Williamson as the Telegraph calls him is no longer excommunicated. Dismay at the idea of welcoming an openly anti-Semitic prelate back into the Church has been expressed by Catholics as well as Jews.

The Catholic Bishops of England and Wales hasten to distance themselves from his views, taking the opportunity to condemn anti-Semitism while they are at it.

Even Williamson’s boss in the Fraternity of St Pius X has decided it expedient to distance himself, too, although if he has previously failed to condemn his subordinate’s claims, this might appear less than sincere.

Words are all very well, but actions will tell us more. What will happen to Williamson if he returns to the Church? Will he be allowed to continue as a bishop?

The Telegraph has already laicised him. Perhaps the Pope should do likewise.

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Former Vatican envoy to the United Nations – well, what do you expect? http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/former_vatican_envoy_to_the_united_natio?blog=9 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:00:19 +0000 liz News and thoughts 804@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/
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<p>It&#8217;s more the kind of thing one might expect from an enraged, ill-educated protester, keffiyah wrapped over his face, perhaps brandishing a <a href="http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2009/01/muslims-vs-succus.html">placard</a> which tells you that he is semi-literate and cannot be expected to read history so relies on others to tell him what to think about Israel and Jews.</p> <p>This disappointing piece of nonsense fell from the lips of a Vatican Cardinal, though. Likening <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gsmLXnderaFqdZFn5vRL4OL3cu1gD95KIJ083">Gaza to a concentration camp</a> is ignorant and anti-Semitic.</p> <p>Germany was not defending itself from a rain of missiles aimed at its civilian population by Jews. The Israelis have not herded Palestinians into Gaza with the intention of wiping them out &#8211; on the contrary, it is Hamas who have made clear their genocidal intentions towards the Jews.</p> <blockquote><p>A spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry said the cardinal, whose remarks appeared in an interview Wednesday, adopted the kind of language that Hamas and other Islamic militant groups have used to demonize Israel and equate it with Nazi Germany</p></blockquote> <p>More thoughts on the subject <a href="http://blog.camera.org/archives/2009/01/vaticans_justice_and_peace_off.html">here</a></p> <p>Cardinal Martino was formerly Vatican envoy to the far from perfect and deeply anti-Israel <a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1277549/k.BF70/Home.htm">UN</a> so perhaps we should not be too surprised. </p> <div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/former_vatican_envoy_to_the_united_natio?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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It’s more the kind of thing one might expect from an enraged, ill-educated protester, keffiyah wrapped over his face, perhaps brandishing a placard which tells you that he is semi-literate and cannot be expected to read history so relies on others to tell him what to think about Israel and Jews.

This disappointing piece of nonsense fell from the lips of a Vatican Cardinal, though. Likening Gaza to a concentration camp is ignorant and anti-Semitic.

Germany was not defending itself from a rain of missiles aimed at its civilian population by Jews. The Israelis have not herded Palestinians into Gaza with the intention of wiping them out – on the contrary, it is Hamas who have made clear their genocidal intentions towards the Jews.

A spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry said the cardinal, whose remarks appeared in an interview Wednesday, adopted the kind of language that Hamas and other Islamic militant groups have used to demonize Israel and equate it with Nazi Germany

More thoughts on the subject here

Cardinal Martino was formerly Vatican envoy to the far from perfect and deeply anti-Israel UN so perhaps we should not be too surprised.

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How not to celebrate the birth of a Jewish baby http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/how_not_to_celebrate_the_birth_of_a_jewi?blog=9 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:26:03 +0000 liz News and thoughts 802@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/ <p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5270185.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5270185.ece</a></p>
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<p>Christmas is the time for traditional pleasures &#8211; food (lots of turkey and Christmas pud), drink, the exchange of gifts, carol singing, sharing a little spiteful nastiness about the Jewish State... Well, that one is a traditional pleasure for some.</p> <p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5270185.ece">A combination of the last two in an Anglican church </a> recently has aroused criticism even from the Archbishop of Canterbury and his predecessor.</p> <blockquote><p>Leading members of Britain&#8217;s Jewish and Christian communities have condemned a prominent Anglican church for holding a service where traditional carols were rewritten to attack Israel. </p> <p>The Rector of St James&#8217;s Piccadilly, the Rev Charles Hedley, said that he would think twice before allowing the service to take place in his church again after he received dozens of complaints. </p></blockquote> <p>You&#8217;d think the Rev Hedley would have noticed that there was something wrong with an anti-Israel carol service, wouldn&#8217;t you? The clergy keep reminding us that Christmas is not just about commercialism. It is supposed to be about love and good-will to all men &#8211; except Israelis, it seems. </p> <p>Did he not realise that devoting a church service to the expression of poisonous hatred is not very, well, Christmassy? Neither is nastiness about Jews defending themselves from the attacks of their enemies appropriate in a season devoted to the birth of a Jewish baby.</p> <div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/how_not_to_celebrate_the_birth_of_a_jewi?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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Christmas is the time for traditional pleasures – food (lots of turkey and Christmas pud), drink, the exchange of gifts, carol singing, sharing a little spiteful nastiness about the Jewish State... Well, that one is a traditional pleasure for some.

A combination of the last two in an Anglican church recently has aroused criticism even from the Archbishop of Canterbury and his predecessor.

Leading members of Britain’s Jewish and Christian communities have condemned a prominent Anglican church for holding a service where traditional carols were rewritten to attack Israel.

The Rector of St James’s Piccadilly, the Rev Charles Hedley, said that he would think twice before allowing the service to take place in his church again after he received dozens of complaints.

You’d think the Rev Hedley would have noticed that there was something wrong with an anti-Israel carol service, wouldn’t you? The clergy keep reminding us that Christmas is not just about commercialism. It is supposed to be about love and good-will to all men – except Israelis, it seems.

Did he not realise that devoting a church service to the expression of poisonous hatred is not very, well, Christmassy? Neither is nastiness about Jews defending themselves from the attacks of their enemies appropriate in a season devoted to the birth of a Jewish baby.

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Well, did he or didnt' he? (continued) http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/well_did_he_or_didnt_he_continued?blog=9 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:48:19 +0000 liz News and thoughts 801@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/ <p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5051320.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5051320.ece</a></p>
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<p>This argument could go on for ever! Did Pope Pius XII say or do enough to help the Jews during WWII?</p> <p>I don't know why he is being considered for canonization anyway - I have never met any Catholic who recognised him as a saint or showed any devotion to him. A few who hankered back to what they remembered as the 'good old days' before the changes brought by the Second Vatican Council had some affection for his memory. That was not so much for what he did as simply because he predated the Council which they so disliked.</p> <p>Now Pope Benedict XVI has decided to <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5051320.ece">postpone the canonisation</a> for a few years, until they have had time to root through all those papers in the Vatican archives and find some more information. </p> <blockquote><p>The delay is being regarded as a concession to Jewish groups who say that Pius, head of the Roman Catholic Church from 1939 to 1958, remained silent during the Holocaust and was passive towards the persecution of Jews</p></blockquote><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/well_did_he_or_didnt_he_continued?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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This argument could go on for ever! Did Pope Pius XII say or do enough to help the Jews during WWII?

I don't know why he is being considered for canonization anyway - I have never met any Catholic who recognised him as a saint or showed any devotion to him. A few who hankered back to what they remembered as the 'good old days' before the changes brought by the Second Vatican Council had some affection for his memory. That was not so much for what he did as simply because he predated the Council which they so disliked.

Now Pope Benedict XVI has decided to postpone the canonisation for a few years, until they have had time to root through all those papers in the Vatican archives and find some more information.

The delay is being regarded as a concession to Jewish groups who say that Pius, head of the Roman Catholic Church from 1939 to 1958, remained silent during the Holocaust and was passive towards the persecution of Jews

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Well, did he or didn't he? http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/well_did_he_or_didn_t_he?blog=9 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:42:02 +0000 liz News and thoughts 798@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/
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<p>The question of whether Pope Pius XII did as much as he could to help the Jews during WW II has still not been answered, but it has been raised again by <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4786966.ece">Pope Benedict</a>.</p> <p>Meanwhile, here is some more material on the subject: <a href="http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20131722&amp;BRD=2737&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=576361&amp;rfi=8">The Case Of The Wartime Pope: The Historical Controversy Of Pius XII</a></p> <p>When Sr. Margherita Marchione discovered that members of her religious order in Rome had saved 114 Jews, she decided to research the subject, interviewing both Catholics and Jews who were there at the time.</p> <blockquote> <p>Her findings? Evidence exists of a huge system of P.O.W. location and hiding as well as the smuggling of Jewish refugees, which originated in the Vatican. Although there are no documents to show it, interviewees told Sr. Margherita that the orders for these institutions came from Pius XII himself. </p> <p>In 1998, Sr. Margherita received a letter from a Msgr. Ferofino, who told her a story about Pius XII and the Jews. Msgr. Ferofino was in Santo Domingo, serving as secretary to the bishop there under the rule of dictator Rafael Trujillo. Msgr. Ferofino received notice from Pius XII asking them to visit Mr. Trujillo and ask him for 400 visas, so the pope could send a shipload of Jews to Santo Domingo. They had visas to the U.S., but U.S. authorities would not accept them. Mr. Trujillo accepted the immigrants, who gradually went to the U.S. via Mexico after arriving in the Dominican Republic.</p></blockquote> <p>Meanwhile, John Cornwell, who wrote Hitler&#8217;s Pope, has somewhat revised his ideas, but is still not convinced that the Pope did enough.</p> <blockquote><p>Hitler's Pope has been criticized for its accuracy and dedication to objective history, and Mr. Cornwell admits that since its publication, his views have undergone revision.</p> <p>"While I believe with many commentators that the pope might have done more to help the plight of the Jews, I now feel, 10 years after the publication of my book, that his scope for action was severely limited and I am prepared to state this," he said. "Nevertheless, due to his ineffectual and diplomatic language in respect of the Nazis and the Jews, I still believe that it was incumbent on him to explain his failure to speak out after the war. This he never did."</p></blockquote> <p>Not exactly the current Pope&#8217;s claim that Pius XII &#8216;spared no effort&#8217; to help the Jews.</p> <div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/well_did_he_or_didn_t_he?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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The question of whether Pope Pius XII did as much as he could to help the Jews during WW II has still not been answered, but it has been raised again by Pope Benedict.

Meanwhile, here is some more material on the subject: The Case Of The Wartime Pope: The Historical Controversy Of Pius XII

When Sr. Margherita Marchione discovered that members of her religious order in Rome had saved 114 Jews, she decided to research the subject, interviewing both Catholics and Jews who were there at the time.

Her findings? Evidence exists of a huge system of P.O.W. location and hiding as well as the smuggling of Jewish refugees, which originated in the Vatican. Although there are no documents to show it, interviewees told Sr. Margherita that the orders for these institutions came from Pius XII himself.

In 1998, Sr. Margherita received a letter from a Msgr. Ferofino, who told her a story about Pius XII and the Jews. Msgr. Ferofino was in Santo Domingo, serving as secretary to the bishop there under the rule of dictator Rafael Trujillo. Msgr. Ferofino received notice from Pius XII asking them to visit Mr. Trujillo and ask him for 400 visas, so the pope could send a shipload of Jews to Santo Domingo. They had visas to the U.S., but U.S. authorities would not accept them. Mr. Trujillo accepted the immigrants, who gradually went to the U.S. via Mexico after arriving in the Dominican Republic.

Meanwhile, John Cornwell, who wrote Hitler’s Pope, has somewhat revised his ideas, but is still not convinced that the Pope did enough.

Hitler's Pope has been criticized for its accuracy and dedication to objective history, and Mr. Cornwell admits that since its publication, his views have undergone revision.

"While I believe with many commentators that the pope might have done more to help the plight of the Jews, I now feel, 10 years after the publication of my book, that his scope for action was severely limited and I am prepared to state this," he said. "Nevertheless, due to his ineffectual and diplomatic language in respect of the Nazis and the Jews, I still believe that it was incumbent on him to explain his failure to speak out after the war. This he never did."

Not exactly the current Pope’s claim that Pius XII ‘spared no effort’ to help the Jews.

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"I'm a Christian Zionist, a Christian feminist and a Christian socialist" http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/i_m_a_christian_zionist_a_christian_femi?blog=9 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:19:30 +0000 liz News and thoughts 796@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/ <p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/14/religion.anglicanism">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/14/religion.anglicanism</a></p>
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<p>Life's much quieter in Israel these days, mostly thanks to the defensive 'Wall' perhaps. As a result, Christian responses to Israel have become quieter, although some still mutter and grumble about the Wall which protects so many Israeli lives.</p> <p>So, for a change, here is Julie Burchill, bravely stepping into the anti-Israel darkness of the Guardian and shedding a little light there. The article is largely about her religious journey: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/14/religion.anglicanism">For the love of Christ</a></p> <blockquote><p>I'm a Christian Zionist, a Christian feminist and a Christian socialist. But the Christian part has become the most important.</p></blockquote> <p>If only more Christians were like her. Here's a sample:</p> <blockquote><p>When one considers the shocking plight of British Muslims who seek to convert to Christianity, it seems to me quite offensive that Christianity should be dismissed by Dawkins and his like in the same breath as Islam. Similarly, Dawkins' critique of Judaism seems way too aggressive, when one compares it to the excesses of other belief systems. The oldest and least evangelical of the monotheistic religions, it is also arguably the most civilised and liberal; there are female judges and rabbis in the Old Testament, which makes the C of E's foot-dragging over the ordination of women look a bit sad &#8211; and let's not even mention the Catholic and Muslim attitude to women being allowed to preach.</p></blockquote><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/i_m_a_christian_zionist_a_christian_femi?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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Life's much quieter in Israel these days, mostly thanks to the defensive 'Wall' perhaps. As a result, Christian responses to Israel have become quieter, although some still mutter and grumble about the Wall which protects so many Israeli lives.

So, for a change, here is Julie Burchill, bravely stepping into the anti-Israel darkness of the Guardian and shedding a little light there. The article is largely about her religious journey: For the love of Christ

I'm a Christian Zionist, a Christian feminist and a Christian socialist. But the Christian part has become the most important.

If only more Christians were like her. Here's a sample:

When one considers the shocking plight of British Muslims who seek to convert to Christianity, it seems to me quite offensive that Christianity should be dismissed by Dawkins and his like in the same breath as Islam. Similarly, Dawkins' critique of Judaism seems way too aggressive, when one compares it to the excesses of other belief systems. The oldest and least evangelical of the monotheistic religions, it is also arguably the most civilised and liberal; there are female judges and rabbis in the Old Testament, which makes the C of E's foot-dragging over the ordination of women look a bit sad – and let's not even mention the Catholic and Muslim attitude to women being allowed to preach.

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Palestinians suffer more than any other people in the entire world - nay, the universe - ever. http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/palestinians_suffer_more_than_any_other_?blog=9 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:48:13 +0000 liz News and thoughts 785@http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/
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<p>Once again, Palestinian terrorists, their hatred carefully nurtured by their leaders, <a href="http://news.smh.com.au/at-least-eight-killed-in-attack-in-west-jerusalem-attack-rescue-service/20080307-1xp3.html">savagely murder innocent Jews</a> in a religious school in Jerusalem.</p> <p>This follows on the news that the usual bunch of suspects (Christian Aid, Amnesty, Cafod, etc) have <a href="http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17689">blamed Israel</a> for the sufferings of the inhabitants of Gaza. They fail to condemn those really responsible - Hamas - and even call on Israel to engage with that rabid organisation.</p> <p>Just to put their claims that the Palestinians are suffering terribly - one might think more than anyone else in the whole wide world has ever suffered since time began - here is an interesting article from the admirable Egyptian blogger <a href="http://www.sandmonkey.org/2008/02/05/for-some-perspective/">Sandmonkey</a>.</p> <blockquote><p>In other words, Palestinians are about in the mid-average range for<br /> third-world countries, and rank almost the same as Mexico (the USA's<br /> bordering country and trade ally) on the poverty index. Interesting.</p> <p>For some perspective</p> <p>Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004<br /> Palestinians have a better time than:</p> <p>Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia</p> <p>Probability of not surviving past age 40(%)2004<br /> Palestinians have a better time than:</p> <p>Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia</p> <p>Adult illiteracy rate (%ages 15 and older)2004<br /> Palestinians have a better time than:</p> <p>Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia</p> <p>People without access to an improved water source (%) 2004<br /> Palestinians have a better time than:</p> <p>Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia</p> <p>Children underweight for age (% ages 0-5) 2004<br /> Palestinians have a better time than:</p> <p>Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia</p> <p>Zionists! *shakes fist in the air*</p></blockquote><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://www.zionismontheweb.org/blogs/index.php/palestinians_suffer_more_than_any_other_?blog=9">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>
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Once again, Palestinian terrorists, their hatred carefully nurtured by their leaders, savagely murder innocent Jews in a religious school in Jerusalem.

This follows on the news that the usual bunch of suspects (Christian Aid, Amnesty, Cafod, etc) have blamed Israel for the sufferings of the inhabitants of Gaza. They fail to condemn those really responsible - Hamas - and even call on Israel to engage with that rabid organisation.

Just to put their claims that the Palestinians are suffering terribly - one might think more than anyone else in the whole wide world has ever suffered since time began - here is an interesting article from the admirable Egyptian blogger Sandmonkey.

In other words, Palestinians are about in the mid-average range for
third-world countries, and rank almost the same as Mexico (the USA's
bordering country and trade ally) on the poverty index. Interesting.

For some perspective

Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Probability of not surviving past age 40(%)2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Adult illiteracy rate (%ages 15 and older)2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

People without access to an improved water source (%) 2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Children underweight for age (% ages 0-5) 2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Zionists! *shakes fist in the air*

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